<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[community morgue]]></title><description><![CDATA[a substack on longevity & community building]]></description><link>https://www.communitymorgue.com</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jmIi!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0faa0ac4-1f37-4820-a567-483cd1612a0c_1042x1042.png</url><title>community morgue</title><link>https://www.communitymorgue.com</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2026 09:39:21 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://www.communitymorgue.com/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Alan Tomusiak]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[communitymorgue@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[communitymorgue@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Alan Tomusiak]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Alan Tomusiak]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[communitymorgue@substack.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[communitymorgue@substack.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[Alan Tomusiak]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[Why are early-onset colorectal cancer rates spiking?]]></title><description><![CDATA[A story of how your microbiome breaks your DNA, and what we can do about it]]></description><link>https://www.communitymorgue.com/p/why-are-early-onset-colorectal-cancer</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.communitymorgue.com/p/why-are-early-onset-colorectal-cancer</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Tomusiak]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2026 17:10:22 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_V5L!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49f17e12-cd77-43d5-b585-2aee7391c369_1200x637.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may have heard that early onset colorectal cancer has doubled in the past 30 years. This claim is true, but undersells the phenomenon - &#8220;early onset&#8221; is medically defined as &#8220;under the age of 50.&#8221; If you focus only on colorectal cancer in children (individuals under 18 years of age), there has been a ~<em>400%</em> increase in incidence<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>.</p><p>Why? To some extent the answer to this question is unknowable<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>, but a wide range of explanations have been proposed, from <a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11100318/">obesity</a> to <a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10340669/">microplastics</a> to <a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8657307/">dietary changes</a>. Many of these influence colorectal cancer risk by affecting the microbiome, shifting it away from an enrichment of symbiotic bacteria and towards a higher ratio of aggressive, pro-inflammatory microbes.</p><p>But how does changing the microbiome cause cancer? The answer, in many cases, is very direct.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_V5L!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49f17e12-cd77-43d5-b585-2aee7391c369_1200x637.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_V5L!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49f17e12-cd77-43d5-b585-2aee7391c369_1200x637.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_V5L!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49f17e12-cd77-43d5-b585-2aee7391c369_1200x637.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_V5L!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49f17e12-cd77-43d5-b585-2aee7391c369_1200x637.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_V5L!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49f17e12-cd77-43d5-b585-2aee7391c369_1200x637.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_V5L!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49f17e12-cd77-43d5-b585-2aee7391c369_1200x637.jpeg" width="1200" height="637" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/49f17e12-cd77-43d5-b585-2aee7391c369_1200x637.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:637,&quot;width&quot;:1200,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:311986,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Early-onset colorectal cancer | British Columbia Medical Journal&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Early-onset colorectal cancer | British Columbia Medical Journal" title="Early-onset colorectal cancer | British Columbia Medical Journal" 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://bcmj.org/articles/early-onset-colorectal-cancer">source</a></figcaption></figure></div><h2>Bacteria can break your DNA</h2><p>The microbiome is not a static environment. It is an ecosystem containing hundreds of different bacterial species, many of which are directly competing with each other for resources. They are spread out throughout the entire GI tract, sitting above the epithelial cells that form your gut while being policed over by vigilant immune cells. In the same way that a forest ecosystem changes over time, the composition of your particular microbiome is never stagnant. The microbes are not only changing in proportion, but also in character - mutations enable some bacteria to be more efficient in scavenging resources, and others more capable at evading the immune system. Some bacteria have a more direct ability to dominate the microbiome niche: they create toxins that kill other bacteria and any immune cells that might try to stop them.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4R6n!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86fa8662-53fd-40c1-94e8-71131cc72b1d_2001x1587.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4R6n!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86fa8662-53fd-40c1-94e8-71131cc72b1d_2001x1587.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4R6n!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86fa8662-53fd-40c1-94e8-71131cc72b1d_2001x1587.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4R6n!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86fa8662-53fd-40c1-94e8-71131cc72b1d_2001x1587.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4R6n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86fa8662-53fd-40c1-94e8-71131cc72b1d_2001x1587.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4R6n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86fa8662-53fd-40c1-94e8-71131cc72b1d_2001x1587.png" width="1456" height="1155" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/86fa8662-53fd-40c1-94e8-71131cc72b1d_2001x1587.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1155,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Fig. 1: Phylogenetic tree of the new human gut microbiome genome reference set.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Fig. 1: Phylogenetic tree of the new human gut microbiome genome reference set." title="Fig. 1: Phylogenetic tree of the new human gut microbiome genome reference set." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4R6n!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86fa8662-53fd-40c1-94e8-71131cc72b1d_2001x1587.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4R6n!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86fa8662-53fd-40c1-94e8-71131cc72b1d_2001x1587.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4R6n!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86fa8662-53fd-40c1-94e8-71131cc72b1d_2001x1587.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4R6n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86fa8662-53fd-40c1-94e8-71131cc72b1d_2001x1587.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">A map of the microbiome, from <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-31502-1">Leviatan et. al 2022.</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>This brings us to <em>pks+</em> E. coli. This particular strain of bacteria is among the most problematic, specifically because it creates a toxin that is designed to <em>staple DNA strands together.</em> Bear with me for a moment to discuss the biochemistry, because the mechanism is <strong>fascinating</strong>.</p><p>The toxin in question is colibactin. Below is the chemical structure - I&#8217;ve circled the most interesting bits:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27Fe!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fded5268b-0333-4bfb-a0f9-bf575a31c934_600x600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27Fe!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fded5268b-0333-4bfb-a0f9-bf575a31c934_600x600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27Fe!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fded5268b-0333-4bfb-a0f9-bf575a31c934_600x600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27Fe!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fded5268b-0333-4bfb-a0f9-bf575a31c934_600x600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27Fe!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fded5268b-0333-4bfb-a0f9-bf575a31c934_600x600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27Fe!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fded5268b-0333-4bfb-a0f9-bf575a31c934_600x600.png" width="600" height="600" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/ded5268b-0333-4bfb-a0f9-bf575a31c934_600x600.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:600,&quot;width&quot;:600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:48496,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/i/191713939?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fded5268b-0333-4bfb-a0f9-bf575a31c934_600x600.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27Fe!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fded5268b-0333-4bfb-a0f9-bf575a31c934_600x600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27Fe!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fded5268b-0333-4bfb-a0f9-bf575a31c934_600x600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27Fe!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fded5268b-0333-4bfb-a0f9-bf575a31c934_600x600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27Fe!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fded5268b-0333-4bfb-a0f9-bf575a31c934_600x600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>It may not look like much. It&#8217;s a bit large and unwieldy compared to what most bacterially-derived toxins look like. But looking deeper, there are two key components:</p><ol><li><p>On each end, there are chemical structures that are geometrically a bit similar to a nucleotide that you would see in DNA, except with extremely unstable and strained cyclopropane &#8220;warheads&#8221; (the triangular pieces).</p></li><li><p>In the middle, there&#8217;s a flexible linker with aromatic rings every few carbons. This looks a bit like a ladder, with two &#8220;steps.&#8221;</p></li></ol><p>As it turns out, this structure slots very nicely into DNA. The bond ends up looking like this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enUX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cb20389-1980-451c-8928-e6de56de2c49_600x808.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enUX!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cb20389-1980-451c-8928-e6de56de2c49_600x808.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enUX!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cb20389-1980-451c-8928-e6de56de2c49_600x808.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enUX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cb20389-1980-451c-8928-e6de56de2c49_600x808.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enUX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cb20389-1980-451c-8928-e6de56de2c49_600x808.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enUX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cb20389-1980-451c-8928-e6de56de2c49_600x808.png" width="600" height="808" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5cb20389-1980-451c-8928-e6de56de2c49_600x808.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:808,&quot;width&quot;:600,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:374161,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/i/191713939?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cb20389-1980-451c-8928-e6de56de2c49_600x808.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enUX!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cb20389-1980-451c-8928-e6de56de2c49_600x808.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enUX!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cb20389-1980-451c-8928-e6de56de2c49_600x808.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enUX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cb20389-1980-451c-8928-e6de56de2c49_600x808.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!enUX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cb20389-1980-451c-8928-e6de56de2c49_600x808.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ady3571">From Carlson et al. 2025</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>The mechanism for how this molecule causes damage is simple but beautiful. It slides into the minor groove of the DNA helix, while barely able to hold its unstable warhead together. Once it is settled, the strained chemical bonds on colibactin snap and rapidly react with the closest atoms in the vicinity - in this case, those on the DNA. The resulting bond is permanent.</p><p>The type of damage this causes is extremely hard for a cell to fix. It does not look anything like the type of damage cells are used to experiencing. The damage that colibactin induces is the equivalent of supergluing together two complementary strands of DNA. The cell is not able to use the DNA for anything - transcription or replication - because that requires the cell to unwind the DNA strands together, which it now cannot do. The best the cell can do is either ignore it, or cut out the region and copy in the correct sequence from the other chromosome (which is hopefully undamaged!). This type of repair has a high probability of inducing a mutation.</p><p>How does this tie back to early-onset colorectal cancer? It turns out the type of DNA damage that colibactin induces leaves a particular mutational signature - a DNA scar, if you will. And this signature (labeled SBS88) is highly enriched in colorectal cancers from young patients.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ykw6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677e0cfb-5a4b-497d-b893-eaaad4554734_976x822.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ykw6!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677e0cfb-5a4b-497d-b893-eaaad4554734_976x822.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ykw6!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677e0cfb-5a4b-497d-b893-eaaad4554734_976x822.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ykw6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677e0cfb-5a4b-497d-b893-eaaad4554734_976x822.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ykw6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677e0cfb-5a4b-497d-b893-eaaad4554734_976x822.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ykw6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677e0cfb-5a4b-497d-b893-eaaad4554734_976x822.png" width="976" height="822" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/677e0cfb-5a4b-497d-b893-eaaad4554734_976x822.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:822,&quot;width&quot;:976,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:71082,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/i/191713939?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677e0cfb-5a4b-497d-b893-eaaad4554734_976x822.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ykw6!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677e0cfb-5a4b-497d-b893-eaaad4554734_976x822.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ykw6!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677e0cfb-5a4b-497d-b893-eaaad4554734_976x822.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ykw6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677e0cfb-5a4b-497d-b893-eaaad4554734_976x822.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ykw6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677e0cfb-5a4b-497d-b893-eaaad4554734_976x822.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">From <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09025-8">Diaz-Gay et al. 2025</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>So what can we do about it?</p><h2>Option 1: Reduce the amount of colibactin-producing bacteria</h2><p>If the core problem is that we have problematic toxin-producing bacteria in the gut, then the most straightforward approach would be to eliminate them. Unfortunately, this is tricky. Antibiotics are not selective, and some of them can <em>increase</em> the proportions of pathogenic bacteria. On the flip side, drugs that down-regulate the immune system can be paradoxically helpful - <em>E. coli </em>thrive on oxygen-rich environments that immune cells bring - but come with tradeoffs.<em> </em>Probiotics are promising, as introducing symbiotic and commensal bacteria inherently decreases the proportion of problematic <em>pks+ E. coli</em>, but the <a href="https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/microbiology/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2023.1067505/full">only study to try this in an animal model</a> introduced, ironically, another bacteria that produces colibactin<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a>. The most promising study to date used <a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11261243/">putrescine in supplement fashion </a>to decrease the growth of <em>pks+</em> E. coli, with the general idea of inhibiting the growth of toxin-producing bacteria. In general, the idea of modulating the microbiome has a great deal of promise, but has struggled immensely in the clinic<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a>.</p><h2>Option 2: Detoxify colibactin</h2><p>You may be wondering how <em>pks+ </em>E. coli themselves do not fall victim to colibactin, as, after all, they also have DNA that is vulnerable to damage. The answer is that they have evolved their own antidote: an enzyme that breaks the DNA-stapling warhead. </p><p>Could we create something similar? Or otherwise create something that would prevent bacteria from producing colibactin in the first place?</p><p>The answer is yes! And many of the techniques that researchers have used are quite clever. A group in the Netherlands showed that colibactin-producing bacteria need to stick to epithelial cells in the gut to cause harm. If you block the ability to stick by either knocking out a gene (see figure below), or by adding a drug, the amount of damage is dramatically reduced.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bo4X!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ac14820-2109-4fa8-8292-8544b1417768_728x396.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bo4X!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ac14820-2109-4fa8-8292-8544b1417768_728x396.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bo4X!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ac14820-2109-4fa8-8292-8544b1417768_728x396.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bo4X!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ac14820-2109-4fa8-8292-8544b1417768_728x396.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bo4X!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ac14820-2109-4fa8-8292-8544b1417768_728x396.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bo4X!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ac14820-2109-4fa8-8292-8544b1417768_728x396.png" width="544" height="295.9120879120879" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7ac14820-2109-4fa8-8292-8544b1417768_728x396.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:396,&quot;width&quot;:728,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:544,&quot;bytes&quot;:617668,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/i/191713939?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ac14820-2109-4fa8-8292-8544b1417768_728x396.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bo4X!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ac14820-2109-4fa8-8292-8544b1417768_728x396.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bo4X!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ac14820-2109-4fa8-8292-8544b1417768_728x396.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bo4X!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ac14820-2109-4fa8-8292-8544b1417768_728x396.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bo4X!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ac14820-2109-4fa8-8292-8544b1417768_728x396.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">From<a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-08135-z"> Jans et al. 2024</a></figcaption></figure></div><p><a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41589-022-01147-8">Another study</a> used a boron-containing drug to mimic one of the substrates that bacteria use to create colibactin, which led to a large drop in production. A third paper directly took advantage of the <em>pks+ </em>E. coli detoxifying enzyme by <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-025-02177-3">fusing it to the cell surface of a different bacterial strain</a>, generating the biological equivalent of a gut colibactin vacuum cleaner. If you could co-colonize your microbiome with bacteria that break down any colibactin outside of a cell, that should reduce the total gut toxin load significantly. It also points towards a synthetic biology utopian future where one could engineer microbes to detoxify many different toxins. It&#8217;s an exciting world of possibilities.</p><h2>Option 3: Protect DNA directly</h2><p>Colibactin is a very unique mutagen, but it does have some chemical cousins. One of the closest is mitomycin C, a chemotherapy drug. It looks like this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9bn2!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2f43f5ea-2be6-4104-8d2b-5671c64b1a26_232x217.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9bn2!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2f43f5ea-2be6-4104-8d2b-5671c64b1a26_232x217.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9bn2!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2f43f5ea-2be6-4104-8d2b-5671c64b1a26_232x217.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9bn2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2f43f5ea-2be6-4104-8d2b-5671c64b1a26_232x217.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9bn2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2f43f5ea-2be6-4104-8d2b-5671c64b1a26_232x217.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9bn2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2f43f5ea-2be6-4104-8d2b-5671c64b1a26_232x217.png" width="232" height="217" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2f43f5ea-2be6-4104-8d2b-5671c64b1a26_232x217.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:217,&quot;width&quot;:232,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Mitomycin C - Wikipedia&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Mitomycin C - Wikipedia" title="Mitomycin C - Wikipedia" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9bn2!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2f43f5ea-2be6-4104-8d2b-5671c64b1a26_232x217.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9bn2!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2f43f5ea-2be6-4104-8d2b-5671c64b1a26_232x217.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9bn2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2f43f5ea-2be6-4104-8d2b-5671c64b1a26_232x217.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9bn2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2f43f5ea-2be6-4104-8d2b-5671c64b1a26_232x217.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>It lacks the flat structural piece to bind into the minor groove, but it does resemble guanosine enough to associate with DNA. This, just like with colibactin, leads to the activation of the warhead (same triangular piece, though with a nitrogen this time around) with irreversible crosslinking of DNA. It works as a chemotherapy due to the high division rate in cancerous cells, though it comes with (predictable) negative side effects.</p><p>Interestingly, there are chemical compounds that may be able to block damage induced by crosslinking agents. A 2008 study tested administering amifostine prior to mitomycin C exposure, and showed a reduction of DNA damage back to baseline:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aXU5!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b4995e3-0151-4942-9fac-79127948e588_760x726.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aXU5!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b4995e3-0151-4942-9fac-79127948e588_760x726.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aXU5!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b4995e3-0151-4942-9fac-79127948e588_760x726.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aXU5!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b4995e3-0151-4942-9fac-79127948e588_760x726.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aXU5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b4995e3-0151-4942-9fac-79127948e588_760x726.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aXU5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b4995e3-0151-4942-9fac-79127948e588_760x726.png" width="346" height="330.5210526315789" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4b4995e3-0151-4942-9fac-79127948e588_760x726.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:726,&quot;width&quot;:760,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:346,&quot;bytes&quot;:66093,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/i/191713939?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b4995e3-0151-4942-9fac-79127948e588_760x726.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aXU5!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b4995e3-0151-4942-9fac-79127948e588_760x726.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aXU5!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b4995e3-0151-4942-9fac-79127948e588_760x726.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aXU5!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b4995e3-0151-4942-9fac-79127948e588_760x726.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aXU5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b4995e3-0151-4942-9fac-79127948e588_760x726.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">From <a href="https://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/13/8/1759">Camelo et al. (2008)</a> A = amifostine, M = mitomycin C, R = media</figcaption></figure></div><p>The impetus for this study came from wanting to find ways to alleviate DNA damage in patients with Fanconi anemia, a rare disease where the genes that can repair interstrand crosslinks are mutated. If you can protect DNA from agents like mitomycin C, the implications extend well beyond colibactin-producing bacteria.</p><h2>So where are we now?</h2><p>Oftentimes, epidemiological problems feel intractable to scientific solutions. Solving the primary driver of lung cancer (smoking) did not come from new drugs that broke the toxins in tobacco, but rather from public-focused anti-smoking campaigns. </p><p>In this case, science may actually have the solution. We know the driver of a large fraction of early-onset colorectal cancer cases, and we have scalable ways of alleviating it. We may be early (you&#8217;ll note nearly every paper I cited in this piece was released within the last three years), but the proposed interventions do not seem particularly sci-fi. Probiotic solutions, in particular, could move very quickly from being a proof-of-concept to something sitting on a store shelf (or a fridge, in this case).</p><p>The other big takeaway is in seeing the medical problem for its molecular drivers. Cardiovascular disease, like early-onset colorectal cancer, is affected by high-level lifestyle components like diet and exercise. And yet, understanding the importance of cholesterol led to the life-saving drug category of statins. </p><p>We should be able to intervene in the causes of cancer in a similar way.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.communitymorgue.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Albeit with the caveat that colorectal cancer in children is rare, totaling ~ 100 total cases in the United States per year.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>We largely do not have deep profiling of microbiomes and cancers from individuals diagnosed in the 1990s that we can compare to.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><a href="https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT05816577?utm_source=chatgpt.com">Clinical trials to solve this problem </a>seem to be underway.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>A complex topic worthy of a much longer, separate post.</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Maximum Lifespan vs. Healthspan]]></title><description><![CDATA[They have much less in common than you'd think]]></description><link>https://www.communitymorgue.com/p/maximum-lifespan-vs-healthspan</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.communitymorgue.com/p/maximum-lifespan-vs-healthspan</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Tomusiak]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2025 22:20:39 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gcV6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa08c2565-e0ed-4f45-93b2-ebe942f16bc8_1140x1012.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2>A common saying in the longevity world</h2><p>How do you live to be 90?<br>Eat well. <br>Exercise. <br>Sleep. <br>Avoid alcohol.</p><p></p><p>How do you live to be 100?<br>Have parents that lived to be 100.</p><p></p><p>This speaks to an underlying biological truth - extending lifespan is not just about optimizing healthspan. We likely all know someone who was extremely healthy for their age until they, within a short period of time, died from a surprise illness. The aging vector that ultimately kills you is largely separate from the one that keeps you free from being sick.</p><h2>A Tale of Two Mice</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gcV6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa08c2565-e0ed-4f45-93b2-ebe942f16bc8_1140x1012.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gcV6!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa08c2565-e0ed-4f45-93b2-ebe942f16bc8_1140x1012.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gcV6!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa08c2565-e0ed-4f45-93b2-ebe942f16bc8_1140x1012.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gcV6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa08c2565-e0ed-4f45-93b2-ebe942f16bc8_1140x1012.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gcV6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa08c2565-e0ed-4f45-93b2-ebe942f16bc8_1140x1012.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gcV6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa08c2565-e0ed-4f45-93b2-ebe942f16bc8_1140x1012.png" width="1140" height="1012" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/a08c2565-e0ed-4f45-93b2-ebe942f16bc8_1140x1012.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1012,&quot;width&quot;:1140,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:1719959,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/i/163077020?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa08c2565-e0ed-4f45-93b2-ebe942f16bc8_1140x1012.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gcV6!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa08c2565-e0ed-4f45-93b2-ebe942f16bc8_1140x1012.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gcV6!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa08c2565-e0ed-4f45-93b2-ebe942f16bc8_1140x1012.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gcV6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa08c2565-e0ed-4f45-93b2-ebe942f16bc8_1140x1012.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gcV6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa08c2565-e0ed-4f45-93b2-ebe942f16bc8_1140x1012.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">From Baker et al. 2016</figcaption></figure></div><p>The mice on the top panel are regular mice at 22 months of ago. The mice on the bottom panel have had all of their senescent cells<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> cleared. You&#8217;ll observe how much healthier the mice in the bottom panel are, and <em>on average</em> they lived about 25% longer. </p><p></p><p>But if you look at when the last mouse in the bottom panel died vs. when the last mouse in the top panel died<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>?</p><p></p><p>There&#8217;s barely a difference:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!soqm!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd5104dec-6aa9-4baf-8cd9-fc9f9003a43f_426x370.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!soqm!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd5104dec-6aa9-4baf-8cd9-fc9f9003a43f_426x370.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!soqm!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd5104dec-6aa9-4baf-8cd9-fc9f9003a43f_426x370.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!soqm!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd5104dec-6aa9-4baf-8cd9-fc9f9003a43f_426x370.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!soqm!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd5104dec-6aa9-4baf-8cd9-fc9f9003a43f_426x370.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!soqm!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd5104dec-6aa9-4baf-8cd9-fc9f9003a43f_426x370.png" width="426" height="370" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!soqm!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd5104dec-6aa9-4baf-8cd9-fc9f9003a43f_426x370.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!soqm!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd5104dec-6aa9-4baf-8cd9-fc9f9003a43f_426x370.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!soqm!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd5104dec-6aa9-4baf-8cd9-fc9f9003a43f_426x370.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!soqm!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd5104dec-6aa9-4baf-8cd9-fc9f9003a43f_426x370.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Also from Baker 2016</figcaption></figure></div><p>The average lifespan is increased, likely because removing the senescent cells prevents the mice from getting diseases that would kill them early (such as cancer). But the inevitable march towards death is not slowed, and the luckiest mice from the untreated cohort and the luckiest mice from the treated cohort die at about the same time.</p><p>Are there longevity interventions that extend maximum lifespan significantly? </p><p>There aren&#8217;t many. The clear standout is caloric restriction:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pA-B!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6dcfb977-b5dc-487f-ad19-936e57bb9708_1136x953.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pA-B!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6dcfb977-b5dc-487f-ad19-936e57bb9708_1136x953.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pA-B!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6dcfb977-b5dc-487f-ad19-936e57bb9708_1136x953.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pA-B!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6dcfb977-b5dc-487f-ad19-936e57bb9708_1136x953.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pA-B!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6dcfb977-b5dc-487f-ad19-936e57bb9708_1136x953.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pA-B!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6dcfb977-b5dc-487f-ad19-936e57bb9708_1136x953.png" width="1136" height="953" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/6dcfb977-b5dc-487f-ad19-936e57bb9708_1136x953.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:953,&quot;width&quot;:1136,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:389740,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/i/163077020?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffaaf11f8-9423-44b2-b614-9d5ec6d638f5_1136x1026.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pA-B!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6dcfb977-b5dc-487f-ad19-936e57bb9708_1136x953.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pA-B!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6dcfb977-b5dc-487f-ad19-936e57bb9708_1136x953.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pA-B!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6dcfb977-b5dc-487f-ad19-936e57bb9708_1136x953.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pA-B!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6dcfb977-b5dc-487f-ad19-936e57bb9708_1136x953.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">From Francesco et al. 2024</figcaption></figure></div><p>Here, you can see very clearly the last caloric-restricted mouse is dying much later than the mouse eating <em>ad libitum.</em> Their rate of aging is slower, not just their rate of accumulating diseases.</p><p></p><p>The difference between healthspan and maximum lifespan is not always so clear. If you treat mice with acarbose and rapamycin at 16 months of age, you do see both maximum and median lifespan extension&#8230; but the maximum lifespan extension is only readily apparent in females.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ammb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facc90b3d-53cc-477e-ba90-8829d7847294_1394x546.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ammb!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facc90b3d-53cc-477e-ba90-8829d7847294_1394x546.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ammb!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facc90b3d-53cc-477e-ba90-8829d7847294_1394x546.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ammb!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facc90b3d-53cc-477e-ba90-8829d7847294_1394x546.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ammb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facc90b3d-53cc-477e-ba90-8829d7847294_1394x546.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ammb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facc90b3d-53cc-477e-ba90-8829d7847294_1394x546.png" width="1394" height="546" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ammb!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facc90b3d-53cc-477e-ba90-8829d7847294_1394x546.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ammb!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facc90b3d-53cc-477e-ba90-8829d7847294_1394x546.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ammb!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facc90b3d-53cc-477e-ba90-8829d7847294_1394x546.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ammb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facc90b3d-53cc-477e-ba90-8829d7847294_1394x546.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">From Strong et al. 2022</figcaption></figure></div><p>Some interventions primarily target healthspan; others primarily maximum lifespan. Some are a combination of both. But these two aspects of aging are distinct.</p><p></p><p>Is this true in humans?</p><h2>A Tale of Two Clocks</h2><p>In 2013, Steve Horvath released his epigenetic clock paper demonstrating that you could train a machine learning model to predict age to within about three years (<a href="https://www.librariesforthefuture.bio/cp/147098265">more on this here</a>). This was a fascinating result, but a number of folks found the idea of being able to predict your age underwhelming - after all, everyone has a sense of how old they are<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a>. </p><p>This led to the generation of second-generation epigenetic clocks, which were created to predict health as opposed to age. Two different approaches led to two very different clocks:</p><ol><li><p><a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5940111/">Morgan Levine&#8217;s PhenoAge</a>, which was trained to predict health markers alone and then regressed onto age.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6366976/">Ake Lu&#8217;s GrimAge</a>, which was trained to predict time-to-mortality.</p></li></ol><p>If health and mortality were the same, then the two clocks should be redundant as their predictions would be the same. The data show the opposite. Here is a plot showing their correlations:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2jaL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82da5132-f200-4bd8-95e3-097f57da9fc6_353x358.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2jaL!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82da5132-f200-4bd8-95e3-097f57da9fc6_353x358.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2jaL!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82da5132-f200-4bd8-95e3-097f57da9fc6_353x358.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2jaL!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82da5132-f200-4bd8-95e3-097f57da9fc6_353x358.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2jaL!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82da5132-f200-4bd8-95e3-097f57da9fc6_353x358.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2jaL!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82da5132-f200-4bd8-95e3-097f57da9fc6_353x358.png" width="232" height="235.28611898016996" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/82da5132-f200-4bd8-95e3-097f57da9fc6_353x358.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:358,&quot;width&quot;:353,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:232,&quot;bytes&quot;:105235,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/i/163077020?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F42994771-7a9f-49e2-aea6-21afeaf49d0a_362x358.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2jaL!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82da5132-f200-4bd8-95e3-097f57da9fc6_353x358.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2jaL!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82da5132-f200-4bd8-95e3-097f57da9fc6_353x358.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2jaL!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82da5132-f200-4bd8-95e3-097f57da9fc6_353x358.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2jaL!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82da5132-f200-4bd8-95e3-097f57da9fc6_353x358.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">From Li et al. 2021, with PhenoAge acceleration on the Y axis and GrimAge acceleration on the X axis</figcaption></figure></div><p>Quantitative estimates vary, but the correlation here is mediocre, with an <a href="https://academic.oup.com/biomedgerontology/article/76/5/741/5992253?login=false">R of somewhere between .3 and .5</a>. There is not perfect disentangelment here - a clock trained on mortality data will pick up a lot of healthspan markers, as humans generally do not live to their absolute maximum lifespan potential. In fact, GrimAge was initially built from a composite of healthspan markers that, together, predict mortality. Nevertheless, it&#8217;s interesting that these two measures diverge.</p><p>Human genetics studies show a similar pattern:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tlmI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6a8c972d-45e1-466e-a18f-1b83f7ee3c80_2036x794.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tlmI!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6a8c972d-45e1-466e-a18f-1b83f7ee3c80_2036x794.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tlmI!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6a8c972d-45e1-466e-a18f-1b83f7ee3c80_2036x794.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tlmI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6a8c972d-45e1-466e-a18f-1b83f7ee3c80_2036x794.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tlmI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6a8c972d-45e1-466e-a18f-1b83f7ee3c80_2036x794.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tlmI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6a8c972d-45e1-466e-a18f-1b83f7ee3c80_2036x794.png" width="1456" height="568" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tlmI!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6a8c972d-45e1-466e-a18f-1b83f7ee3c80_2036x794.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tlmI!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6a8c972d-45e1-466e-a18f-1b83f7ee3c80_2036x794.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tlmI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6a8c972d-45e1-466e-a18f-1b83f7ee3c80_2036x794.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tlmI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6a8c972d-45e1-466e-a18f-1b83f7ee3c80_2036x794.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Ying et al. 2024</figcaption></figure></div><p>Genetic variants that are linked to extreme longevity are not the same ones that are linked to healthspan. In fact, some genetic variants are connected to improved lifespan but worsened healthspan. </p><p></p><h2>A Tale of Two Worms</h2><p>For people working on aging research in <em>C. elegans,</em> this concept is not new at all (<a href="https://www.pnas.org/doi/epdf/10.1073/pnas.1412192112">excellent paper on this topic here</a>). Consider the well-known <em>daf-2</em> mutant, which nearly doubles worm lifespan:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L7kL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57943555-0361-4f76-8841-5b60f9c3fb1b_728x422.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L7kL!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57943555-0361-4f76-8841-5b60f9c3fb1b_728x422.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L7kL!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57943555-0361-4f76-8841-5b60f9c3fb1b_728x422.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L7kL!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57943555-0361-4f76-8841-5b60f9c3fb1b_728x422.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L7kL!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57943555-0361-4f76-8841-5b60f9c3fb1b_728x422.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L7kL!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57943555-0361-4f76-8841-5b60f9c3fb1b_728x422.png" width="362" height="209.84065934065933" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/57943555-0361-4f76-8841-5b60f9c3fb1b_728x422.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:422,&quot;width&quot;:728,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:362,&quot;bytes&quot;:185770,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/i/163077020?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57943555-0361-4f76-8841-5b60f9c3fb1b_728x422.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L7kL!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57943555-0361-4f76-8841-5b60f9c3fb1b_728x422.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L7kL!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57943555-0361-4f76-8841-5b60f9c3fb1b_728x422.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L7kL!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57943555-0361-4f76-8841-5b60f9c3fb1b_728x422.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L7kL!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57943555-0361-4f76-8841-5b60f9c3fb1b_728x422.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The effect on worm movement, however, is mostly negative - even at young worm ages.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bo1e!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdade6945-650c-4ceb-a118-426989bef9ba_520x308.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bo1e!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdade6945-650c-4ceb-a118-426989bef9ba_520x308.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bo1e!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdade6945-650c-4ceb-a118-426989bef9ba_520x308.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bo1e!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdade6945-650c-4ceb-a118-426989bef9ba_520x308.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bo1e!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdade6945-650c-4ceb-a118-426989bef9ba_520x308.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bo1e!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdade6945-650c-4ceb-a118-426989bef9ba_520x308.png" width="306" height="181.24615384615385" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/dade6945-650c-4ceb-a118-426989bef9ba_520x308.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:308,&quot;width&quot;:520,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:306,&quot;bytes&quot;:78264,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/i/163077020?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdade6945-650c-4ceb-a118-426989bef9ba_520x308.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bo1e!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdade6945-650c-4ceb-a118-426989bef9ba_520x308.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bo1e!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdade6945-650c-4ceb-a118-426989bef9ba_520x308.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bo1e!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdade6945-650c-4ceb-a118-426989bef9ba_520x308.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Bo1e!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdade6945-650c-4ceb-a118-426989bef9ba_520x308.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Not every maximum lifespan-benefiting intervention has this tradeoff. Caloric restriction, which I mentioned earlier as having a major effect on maximum lifespan, seems to generally improve health metrics too (though not if taken to an extreme). But it&#8217;s an important parameter to keep in mind.</p><h2>So what&#8217;s the take?</h2><p>I once made a poorly-received joke to the <a href="https://www.xprize.org/prizes/healthspan">XPRIZE Healthspan</a><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a> competition organizers that I would be interested in proposing giving cocaine and steroids to the elderly in order to reverse their age. Given the therapeutic treatment window only lasts a year, this should be a clear winner!</p><p>The deep take is this: maximum lifespan and healthspan are separate; what is good for one may be useless or even detrimental for the other. Beware claims of reversing aging - depending on which aspect of aging is being measured, this may be a Faustian bargain trading health for time. For preclinical and clinical trials focused on aging, it will become increasingly important to ensure that we know whether a therapeutic is improving healthspan, lifespan, or both.</p><p></p><h3>Further Reading</h3><p>I kept this piece relatively light on aging theory. For folks interested in reading on this more deeply, I&#8217;d heavily recommend reading some of the work done by <a href="https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.06.479300v2.full">Peter Fedichev</a> and <a href="https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.10.04.560871v1.full">Uri Alon</a>. Physicists, for whichever reason, have picked up on the healthspan vs. maximum lifespan separation most acutely - perhaps it&#8217;s because they&#8217;re most attuned to the shape of the lifespan curves I shared in the beginning of the piece.</p><p></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading community morgue! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_senescence">Senescent cells</a> (sometimes referred to as &#8220;zombie cells&#8221;) are cells that stop dividing and become problematic, mostly via spitting out pro-inflammatory proteins. They accumulate with age in mice and likely humans. Killing off senescent cells was a very popular topic in the longevity world for a time.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>A definition of &#8220;maximum lifespan.&#8221;</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>If I had a nickel for every time I heard the &#8220;if you want to predict your age, just check your driver&#8217;s license&#8221; snarky remark&#8230;</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>A $100M competition to find therapeutics, in people, that reverse aging by seven years within a one-year window.</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[From cleaning bathrooms to raising $3.1M for a cancer prevention startup]]></title><description><![CDATA[and how I did it]]></description><link>https://www.communitymorgue.com/p/from-cleaning-bathrooms-to-raising</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.communitymorgue.com/p/from-cleaning-bathrooms-to-raising</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Tomusiak]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2025 16:09:11 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9XzA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F315fcc16-14cf-4032-a7ed-86010fbc87e0_6302x3254.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Fifteen years ago, I succeeded in my first negotiation. As a twelve year old child, I would spend nights during the summer with my parents cleaning middle and high schools. It wasn&#8217;t a glorious job, but with no knowledge of English it was one of the few that they could find and I had little else to do. At the end of the night, they would give me $10.<br></p><p>After a couple of weeks like this, I picked up on the fact that this was a poor deal for me - I had just helped them out for six to eight hours, putting my hourly wages at a depressing $1.25. When I pointed this out to my mother, she thought for a moment before agreeing to double the amount. I had managed to negotiate a 100% wage increase - an auspicious beginning.</p><p>~~</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qGyc!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e4ffc43-7f8c-4d7d-af37-d59db023a6dc_672x600.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qGyc!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e4ffc43-7f8c-4d7d-af37-d59db023a6dc_672x600.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qGyc!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e4ffc43-7f8c-4d7d-af37-d59db023a6dc_672x600.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qGyc!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e4ffc43-7f8c-4d7d-af37-d59db023a6dc_672x600.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qGyc!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e4ffc43-7f8c-4d7d-af37-d59db023a6dc_672x600.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qGyc!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e4ffc43-7f8c-4d7d-af37-d59db023a6dc_672x600.jpeg" width="274" height="244.64285714285714" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9e4ffc43-7f8c-4d7d-af37-d59db023a6dc_672x600.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:600,&quot;width&quot;:672,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:274,&quot;bytes&quot;:73597,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://communitymorgue.substack.com/i/158896067?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e4ffc43-7f8c-4d7d-af37-d59db023a6dc_672x600.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qGyc!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e4ffc43-7f8c-4d7d-af37-d59db023a6dc_672x600.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qGyc!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e4ffc43-7f8c-4d7d-af37-d59db023a6dc_672x600.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qGyc!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e4ffc43-7f8c-4d7d-af37-d59db023a6dc_672x600.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qGyc!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e4ffc43-7f8c-4d7d-af37-d59db023a6dc_672x600.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Five years later, cleaning engulfed my life. My father had exited the Picture and my mother did not know how to drive, so scrubbing high school bathrooms with her became my life from the afternoon to the wee hours of the morning. My mother and I became comrades-in-arms, scrambling to figure out taxes, repairs, work and home. I took on a job working at a gas station (I had to pretend to be older to get that job - my alibi was being a Georgia Tech student) 20 hours each weekend to arrange enough money together for my own independence. This job had its own form of beauty: the ultimate exposure to the world - everyone needs gas, rich or poor. <br><br>I slept during class.<br>~~</p><p>This past October, I told my mother I was going to start a company. Cancer prevention seemed doable and it was as good a life mission as any, but it&#8217;d require a decent amount of cash to get started so I&#8217;d embark on a fundraising quest first.<br><br>Her first reaction was to relay me a story about how a scientist who had discovered the cure to cancer was shot down over Copenhagen by Them. Who Them was is unclear, but she had always had a bit of a conspiratorial flair.<br><br>When I informed her that this was nonsense, she spent a long hour telling me that this was a dumb idea, that it was not worth trying, that this was an endeavor that They would do but not people like Us. In this instance it was more clear who They were - it was those who did not spend their childhoods cleaning bathrooms. </p><p>This speech was, if anything, motivating. If They could do it, then so, perhaps, could I.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!d3VF!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08281fff-19b0-4d5b-9d8f-a10bc1c05b01_1058x316.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!d3VF!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08281fff-19b0-4d5b-9d8f-a10bc1c05b01_1058x316.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!d3VF!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08281fff-19b0-4d5b-9d8f-a10bc1c05b01_1058x316.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!d3VF!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08281fff-19b0-4d5b-9d8f-a10bc1c05b01_1058x316.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!d3VF!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08281fff-19b0-4d5b-9d8f-a10bc1c05b01_1058x316.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!d3VF!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08281fff-19b0-4d5b-9d8f-a10bc1c05b01_1058x316.png" width="402" height="120.06805293005671" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/08281fff-19b0-4d5b-9d8f-a10bc1c05b01_1058x316.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:316,&quot;width&quot;:1058,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:402,&quot;bytes&quot;:51391,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/i/158896067?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08281fff-19b0-4d5b-9d8f-a10bc1c05b01_1058x316.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!d3VF!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08281fff-19b0-4d5b-9d8f-a10bc1c05b01_1058x316.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!d3VF!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08281fff-19b0-4d5b-9d8f-a10bc1c05b01_1058x316.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!d3VF!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08281fff-19b0-4d5b-9d8f-a10bc1c05b01_1058x316.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!d3VF!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08281fff-19b0-4d5b-9d8f-a10bc1c05b01_1058x316.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><div><hr></div><h3>The journey to becoming a founder<br></h3><p>Most of this article will be my path through fundraising, with the hopes that it will be a helpful read for those embarking on a similar journey - particularly those coming from rougher backgrounds. But first, some context:</p><p></p><p>My mind first turned to startups about a year out of undergrad when I was working for a company working on CAR-T immunotherapies. I <em>loved</em> my time there - it was a wonderful environment of brilliant people working on incredibly challenging scientific problems. Each day I came to work, I had the opportunity to help make life-saving cell therapies for cancer patients a little better.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i8Y5!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc25c1585-0b66-4ed0-8cc4-d02aff4f6d49_2299x3044.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i8Y5!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc25c1585-0b66-4ed0-8cc4-d02aff4f6d49_2299x3044.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i8Y5!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc25c1585-0b66-4ed0-8cc4-d02aff4f6d49_2299x3044.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i8Y5!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc25c1585-0b66-4ed0-8cc4-d02aff4f6d49_2299x3044.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i8Y5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc25c1585-0b66-4ed0-8cc4-d02aff4f6d49_2299x3044.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i8Y5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc25c1585-0b66-4ed0-8cc4-d02aff4f6d49_2299x3044.jpeg" width="382" height="505.78860374075686" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c25c1585-0b66-4ed0-8cc4-d02aff4f6d49_2299x3044.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:3044,&quot;width&quot;:2299,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:382,&quot;bytes&quot;:1423369,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/i/158896067?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb68a965f-59ad-46ef-9981-2eca89b693c4_3024x4032.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i8Y5!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc25c1585-0b66-4ed0-8cc4-d02aff4f6d49_2299x3044.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i8Y5!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc25c1585-0b66-4ed0-8cc4-d02aff4f6d49_2299x3044.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i8Y5!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc25c1585-0b66-4ed0-8cc4-d02aff4f6d49_2299x3044.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i8Y5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc25c1585-0b66-4ed0-8cc4-d02aff4f6d49_2299x3044.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">This was the view from the gym - a hell of an inspiration to go do something great.</figcaption></figure></div><p>But these cell therapies cost hundreds of thousands of dollars each, and were largely only relevant to the most terminal of the most terminal cancer patients. Tragically and poetically, this was around the same time that my father underwent multiple circuits of radiotherapy and immunotherapy and steroids (to treat the side effects from the immunotherapy) to treat a melanoma that spread to his brain. He would ultimately succumb to the disease after battling it for three years. </p><p>All of this sparked a fire to rethink how we tackle disease. I found the work that I was doing meaningful, but it would have been better to have prevented the cancer from existing in the first place. The main risk factor for cancer, as with most diseases, is aging. Thus, it made sense to go find the causes of aging and slow them down - an idea known as the geroscience hypothesis<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcI8!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fabd69662-ab8c-4e96-b24c-86e993252b2a_972x452.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcI8!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fabd69662-ab8c-4e96-b24c-86e993252b2a_972x452.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcI8!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fabd69662-ab8c-4e96-b24c-86e993252b2a_972x452.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcI8!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fabd69662-ab8c-4e96-b24c-86e993252b2a_972x452.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcI8!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fabd69662-ab8c-4e96-b24c-86e993252b2a_972x452.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcI8!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fabd69662-ab8c-4e96-b24c-86e993252b2a_972x452.png" width="372" height="172.98765432098764" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/abd69662-ab8c-4e96-b24c-86e993252b2a_972x452.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:452,&quot;width&quot;:972,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:372,&quot;bytes&quot;:103905,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/i/158896067?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fabd69662-ab8c-4e96-b24c-86e993252b2a_972x452.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcI8!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fabd69662-ab8c-4e96-b24c-86e993252b2a_972x452.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcI8!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fabd69662-ab8c-4e96-b24c-86e993252b2a_972x452.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcI8!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fabd69662-ab8c-4e96-b24c-86e993252b2a_972x452.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KcI8!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fabd69662-ab8c-4e96-b24c-86e993252b2a_972x452.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">A LinkedIn post from this period.</figcaption></figure></div><p>I wasn&#8217;t sure <em>how</em> to effect change in this direction<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>. I looked for low hanging fruit and found none - scientists haven&#8217;t identified any compounds that meaningfully slow the pace of aging except for rapamycin, which was isolated in the 1970s<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a>. My takeaway from this was that the field must be missing something pretty critical, so I opted to invest a few years in thinking very hard on the problem through a PhD. I applied to exactly one PhD program - the Biology of Aging PhD at the Buck Institute - and spent time working in labs that were too big to pay me much attention, allowing me to spend most of my time thinking about what aging is. The PhD path is not in vogue, but for me it felt very intuitive. Aging is the mother of all problems; it should not be surprising that tackling it correctly will take at least a few years of deep focused thinking.</p><p>Despite going into it with a hermit-esque &#8220;I am here to isolate myself in the mountains and think about aging&#8221; philosophy, my PhD experience ended up being fairly community oriented. I am still reflecting on <em>why</em> community was so important on this intellectual journey, but my suspicion was that it is deeply beneficial to have an environment in which people can quickly tell you that your ideas are not very good. There are countless times when I had some concept around aging that ended up being quickly shut down by a friend with a reference citation to some obscure paper from the 1980s. It&#8217;s much more difficult to have these rapid creative iteration cycles alone.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!f5Z0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F260eb97c-2d99-4eaf-85f4-d97db3044ee6_2287x1334.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!f5Z0!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F260eb97c-2d99-4eaf-85f4-d97db3044ee6_2287x1334.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!f5Z0!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F260eb97c-2d99-4eaf-85f4-d97db3044ee6_2287x1334.png 848w, 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I had two major takeaways:</p><ol><li><p>Aging becomes <a href="https://www.librariesforthefuture.bio/p/a-call-to-arms-to-save-the-genome">exponentially more difficult to tackle as we get older</a>, and thus we need to address the root causes of it as early as possible. Ideally, beginning in our 20s.</p></li><li><p>One of the most important of those root causes is <a href="https://www.communitymorgue.com/p/petos-aging">genome instability</a>.</p></li></ol><p>Finding ways to make a company out of these takeaways was not easy, but ultimately I arrived at the idea of creating therapeutics to prevent cancer. It sets up the company to directly target improving genome stability, and &#8216;preventing cancer&#8217; is one of the relatively few reasons young healthy people would take a drug (at least, the FDA-permitted kind). Now it was time to go out and build it. </p><p>For this, I needed money.</p><p></p><h3>Strategizing fundraising</h3><p>Before going out and fundraising, I sat down and reflected deeply on my strengths and weaknesses. There were a number of tailwinds:</p><ol><li><p><strong>I knew my stuff.</strong> I had made a point of reading three papers every day during my PhD, which came in very handy when I would bludgeon a VC&#8217;s diligence team with my encyclopedia&#8217;s worth of knowledge on what I was doing. </p></li><li><p><strong>I believed in what I was building and was obsessed about it.</strong> One very helpful biotech founder advised me to make it clear to VCs that I was going to be fine without them, to be the &#8220;pretty girl at a party.&#8221; In my case, this was very much true (the belief part, not being a pretty girl), and I would work on this problem regardless of how much money I&#8217;d end up fundraising.</p></li><li><p><strong>I knew the game, kind of. </strong>In my time in VC I had the chance to see hundreds of company decks - those that were great and those that were terrible. I knew at the very least that I could field my pitch without missing something fundamental. I also knew that there are certain hard-to-describe perception factors that VCs look for that I was able to check - completing my undergrad at Stanford, a propensity for wearing leather jackets, projecting confidence, etc.</p></li></ol><p>And also a couple of minor headwinds:</p><ol><li><p><strong>The market was not in my favor.</strong> At the end of 2024, the pre-seed environment for funding biotech startups was horrible and was quickly getting worse.</p></li><li><p><strong>I had literally nothing.</strong> I did not have an asset nor a target nor a co-founder nor a team nor previous founding experience nor any preliminary data nor anything else that could be worth anything to anyone. </p></li></ol><p>Taking all of these factors together, it made sense to try to raise $2-3 million dollars. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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He said VCs care about three things:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Team. </strong>So much of company building is executing properly.</p></li><li><p><strong>Moat or &#8220;defensible magic.&#8221; </strong>If anyone else can copy it, then it is not going to retain exclusive value for very long.</p></li><li><p><strong>Potential to be a billion+ dollar company. </strong>Most VC investments fail. To make returns, the few investments that don&#8217;t fail need to be massive successes.</p></li></ol><p>I slotted into this framework very nicely. As a lone voice in the desert obsessed about this field, I was one of the very few choices for investors interested in backing it. The technology is easily patentable, and by targeting <em>disrupting all of cancer</em> I chose a pretty large market.</p><p>Of course, none of this felt very real to me. I distinctly remember helping my parents with their tax returns (they were illiterate in English) and seeing the annual income of 70+ hour workweeks totaling to a maximum of $40,000 from both of them combined. But I learned quickly to separate myself emotionally from the fundraise amount and treat it as a means to the end goal of improving genome stability - which it is.</p><p>In any case, I <em>did</em> need to correct for some of my weaknesses as a founder, which was the first thing I did.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ald5!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2dc384a2-7a93-484d-a9ac-09db033d260a_2251x1957.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ald5!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2dc384a2-7a93-484d-a9ac-09db033d260a_2251x1957.png 424w, 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I reached out to about a hundred experts who I saw as potential advisors and had meetings with about half. I offered advisory positions to those who either filled critical gaps in my knowledge or asked particularly insightful questions.</p><p>With the company idea in mind, a team of enthusiastic scientific supporters, and a target fundraise amount, I was ready to shoot my shot.</p><p></p><h3>Beginning fundraising</h3><p>Fundraising for a pre-seed is common enough to where there is a standard playbook. I will describe how most people approach it, and where I deviated.</p><p>The usual strategy is to create a massive spreadsheet list of every VC you think could possibly be interested in investing. You rank them in tiers and then ask everyone you know if they could provide you to an introduction to the highest-possible-ranking person at any of those VC funds<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a>. Once you have your list of potential VCs and potential introducers, you give the bugle call to send the introductions and schedule all of the meetings at the same time - starting with the &#8220;worst ranked&#8221; VCs first. You then tell everyone you have a ton of interest in order to drive momentum and hype.</p><p>The core problem that this tackles is the fact that investors have a natural preference to wait. The longer they wait, the more information they have. By scheduling everything all at once, you force them to make decisions quicker as otherwise there&#8217;s some risk they&#8217;ll miss out on the deal. There&#8217;s also a tendency to try to remain as cool and quiet as possible through the entire process to generate excitement and FOMO.</p><p>My strategy was much more chaotic. I avoided the tier tactic, mostly because I knew I would tune my pitch depending on feedback and I did not want to over-index on the opinions of folks that I didn&#8217;t want to invest anyway. I <em>did</em> schedule every call at once - but then I just kept going, adding on dozens of additional investor meetings week after week after week. I abandoned the &#8220;be cool&#8221; vibe entirely in favor of the perception that I was manically obsessed with solving a critical problem that everyone else is overlooking, which was much more authentic anyway. I solved for time pressure by initiating fundraising in October and telling everyone I would close the round by the end of the year. This was an arbitrary deadline to investors but a practical deadline for me, as I would run out of personal funds at that point and would probably annoy my housemates by not having money for rent.</p><p>Choosing to pitch <em>ad infinitum </em>was tough, but was a battle to which my background prepared me for. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rFTM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F32b9f6a9-7edc-43ef-a7e1-3a2b3f1c25bd_1275x1078.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rFTM!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F32b9f6a9-7edc-43ef-a7e1-3a2b3f1c25bd_1275x1078.png 424w, 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In the course of fundraising, I pitched over a hundred times and had dozens of more conversations on top of that. My emotional armor around being told &#8216;no&#8217; became very refined and practiced.</p><h3>Early wins</h3><p>My first few weeks of fundraising went well. This was due to a factor that I had not anticipated: giving a shit.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JuoS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1bcea8ec-c009-4b09-b0d5-a7444167377a_1079x929.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JuoS!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1bcea8ec-c009-4b09-b0d5-a7444167377a_1079x929.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JuoS!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1bcea8ec-c009-4b09-b0d5-a7444167377a_1079x929.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JuoS!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1bcea8ec-c009-4b09-b0d5-a7444167377a_1079x929.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JuoS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1bcea8ec-c009-4b09-b0d5-a7444167377a_1079x929.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JuoS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1bcea8ec-c009-4b09-b0d5-a7444167377a_1079x929.jpeg" width="416" height="358.1686746987952" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1bcea8ec-c009-4b09-b0d5-a7444167377a_1079x929.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:929,&quot;width&quot;:1079,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:416,&quot;bytes&quot;:95316,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/i/158896067?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F948f549b-b573-490b-8105-beaad034ab6c_1080x1473.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JuoS!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1bcea8ec-c009-4b09-b0d5-a7444167377a_1079x929.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JuoS!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1bcea8ec-c009-4b09-b0d5-a7444167377a_1079x929.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JuoS!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1bcea8ec-c009-4b09-b0d5-a7444167377a_1079x929.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JuoS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1bcea8ec-c009-4b09-b0d5-a7444167377a_1079x929.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Most conversations around fundraising - this article included - come at it from the point of view of the founder. This makes it easy to talk about strategy and tactics as though the fundraising process were a wholly impersonal board game. VCs are used to being engaged with on purely transactional terms - as potential sources of funding, irrelevant as soon as they pass on an opportunity. </p><p>However, VCs are human beings too [citation needed]. There were a few investors that I had made good relationships with over the years without any expectation of an investment, and reaching out to them led to me raising $1M within a couple of weeks. My days working at a gas station had imprinted on me a sense of trying to see people for who they are instead of for what they can provide for me, and this ironically ended up being very professionally lucrative.</p><p>In my brief time on the investing side, I had also created friendships with founders. My biggest surprise in all of fundraising was how much help <em>founders</em> were willing to provide for each other. There were founders who made 4-5 incredibly useful connections even without me prompting. There were founders who sat down with me for three hours over beers teaching me the very basics of company building without any expectation that I would ever return anything back to them. In every environment I had ever operated in, I had experienced some sense of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality">crab mentality</a> - this seems nearly absent among folks building early-stage biotech companies. It&#8217;s all camaraderie.</p><p>The early honeymoon phase was a good boost of confidence. Not doing the common strategy of prioritizing &#8220;lower ranked&#8221; VCs meant that I took a few rejections from VCs I respected, but I got very good feedback that was worth its weight in gold.</p><h4>A few operational tips</h4><p>This may distract from the overall narrative a bit, but here are some quick bullet points that are likely be useful for founders early on in the fundraising journey:</p><ul><li><p>I found the 80/20 rule applies to almost everything. Many founders either create and design their own slide decks or pay a designer upwards of $1,500 to make one for them. In my case, I made my own deck and paid someone on Fiverr $150 to make it look aesthetic. I did the same for the logo. I was punished for not putting in the extra 20% effort later, but the time I gained by operating much quicker was worth it.</p></li><li><p>I did not worry about confidentiality. If someone wants to go steal my idea and does all the hard work of solving cancer and aging without me, then&#8230;</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!twt1!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc203a10-b057-4429-adec-a61f24f66c2f_660x410.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!twt1!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc203a10-b057-4429-adec-a61f24f66c2f_660x410.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!twt1!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc203a10-b057-4429-adec-a61f24f66c2f_660x410.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!twt1!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc203a10-b057-4429-adec-a61f24f66c2f_660x410.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!twt1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc203a10-b057-4429-adec-a61f24f66c2f_660x410.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!twt1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc203a10-b057-4429-adec-a61f24f66c2f_660x410.jpeg" width="478" height="296.93939393939394" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/bc203a10-b057-4429-adec-a61f24f66c2f_660x410.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:410,&quot;width&quot;:660,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:478,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;I See This as an Absolute Win - Meming Wiki&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="I See This as an Absolute Win - Meming Wiki" title="I See This as an Absolute Win - Meming Wiki" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!twt1!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc203a10-b057-4429-adec-a61f24f66c2f_660x410.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!twt1!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc203a10-b057-4429-adec-a61f24f66c2f_660x410.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!twt1!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc203a10-b057-4429-adec-a61f24f66c2f_660x410.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!twt1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc203a10-b057-4429-adec-a61f24f66c2f_660x410.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div></li><li><p>My life became so much less guesswork when I brought on an operational advisor to help sanity check some of my choices. He also unwittingly became a deeply appreciated emotional sounding board.</p></li><li><p>Good feedback was critical. I ended up changing the entire narrative of my pitch a month into the fundraise.</p></li></ul><p></p><h3>A darker period</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!b0Xo!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0f2b0253-2110-4fb5-a8cc-37497a1f5bbc_1170x1160.heic" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!b0Xo!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0f2b0253-2110-4fb5-a8cc-37497a1f5bbc_1170x1160.heic 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!b0Xo!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0f2b0253-2110-4fb5-a8cc-37497a1f5bbc_1170x1160.heic 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!b0Xo!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0f2b0253-2110-4fb5-a8cc-37497a1f5bbc_1170x1160.heic 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!b0Xo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0f2b0253-2110-4fb5-a8cc-37497a1f5bbc_1170x1160.heic 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!b0Xo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0f2b0253-2110-4fb5-a8cc-37497a1f5bbc_1170x1160.heic" width="316" height="313.2991452991453" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0f2b0253-2110-4fb5-a8cc-37497a1f5bbc_1170x1160.heic&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1160,&quot;width&quot;:1170,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:316,&quot;bytes&quot;:89227,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/heic&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/i/158896067?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0f2b0253-2110-4fb5-a8cc-37497a1f5bbc_1170x1160.heic&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!b0Xo!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0f2b0253-2110-4fb5-a8cc-37497a1f5bbc_1170x1160.heic 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!b0Xo!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0f2b0253-2110-4fb5-a8cc-37497a1f5bbc_1170x1160.heic 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!b0Xo!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0f2b0253-2110-4fb5-a8cc-37497a1f5bbc_1170x1160.heic 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!b0Xo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0f2b0253-2110-4fb5-a8cc-37497a1f5bbc_1170x1160.heic 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>At some point I hit a dead end and ran out of steam. I had enough VCs hem and haw and signal that they&#8217;d be interested for investing some amount, but it was unclear what amount and on which timeline<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a>. Starting fundraising in October was a tactical decision aimed at speeding up the process, but both Thanksgiving and Christmas came and went without a completed process. For New Year&#8217;s, I threw a dart at a map on my wall and resolved to go somewhere far away. The dart hit Billings in Montana before falling to the floor, and so off I went.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GTlj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe94925df-de23-479a-a541-4cf51177dbbf_4032x3024.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GTlj!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe94925df-de23-479a-a541-4cf51177dbbf_4032x3024.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GTlj!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe94925df-de23-479a-a541-4cf51177dbbf_4032x3024.png 848w, 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Given my scientific background, I expected the have the most traction among biotech investors. What I did not appreciate at the time was that biotech investors have something of a formula: find a particular protein target, then find some disease for that target, then find a drug that will hit this protein. My pitch - let&#8217;s target <em>mutations</em> to prevent <em>cancer</em> - fit very poorly into this formula. </p><p>I also found myself having to rapidly iterate on not on my pitch but also <em>myself</em>. I was a few months out of academia, and academia strongly frowns upon any sign of ego. I have a funny memory of giving a presentation at the Biomarkers of Aging conference, with my description of the work being ultra-narrowly tailored to the specific plot that I was describing without daring to stray into speculation or even implications. The same evening, I gave a pitch to a VC where my script was effectively &#8220;we will literally cure cancer.&#8221; It was a wild head-spin.</p><p>Eventually, things came together. I resolved to do a last call in January and wrap up fundraising, and this neatly aligned with finding a lead investor. I was not sure how to approach negotiating, but I came into it with two principles:</p><ol><li><p>Treat negotiating on terms impersonally. I pushed for the best terms that I thought I could reasonably get, and pushed fairly hard.</p></li><li><p>Making sure everyone gets a fair shake. At the end of the day, the journey is long and it&#8217;s good for everyone to feel like they&#8217;re in it together like some grand adventure.</p></li></ol><p>These principles led to some perhaps irrational choices. My first ever angel investor (who shifted me from &#8220;someone who has not raised capital&#8221; to &#8220;someone who has raised capital&#8221; - a critical binary shift in the eyes of many VCs) committed $500,000 in October on much worse terms than our lead investor negotiated in January. My lawyers informed me that the time gap meant I did not have to do anything here; I chose to harmonize the angel&#8217;s terms to match those that the lead negotiated anyway. It was critical for me that the people who took a bet on me knew that I, in turn, would advocate for them.</p><p></p><h3>Some parting thoughts</h3><p>If you&#8217;ve never read Peter Thiel&#8217;s <em>Zero to One</em>, I&#8217;d highly recommend it. It&#8217;s useful, first of all, for understanding how people who have build big things think. More saliently, it begins with this absolute banger of a line:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ETBY!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e30be36-4b57-4d1e-8ab1-c2e03163e211_3024x2724.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ETBY!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e30be36-4b57-4d1e-8ab1-c2e03163e211_3024x2724.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ETBY!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e30be36-4b57-4d1e-8ab1-c2e03163e211_3024x2724.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ETBY!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e30be36-4b57-4d1e-8ab1-c2e03163e211_3024x2724.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ETBY!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e30be36-4b57-4d1e-8ab1-c2e03163e211_3024x2724.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ETBY!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e30be36-4b57-4d1e-8ab1-c2e03163e211_3024x2724.jpeg" width="3024" height="2724" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5e30be36-4b57-4d1e-8ab1-c2e03163e211_3024x2724.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:2724,&quot;width&quot;:3024,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:1593630,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/i/158896067?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7246e965-e0ab-4308-b1ab-929e6da8296b_4032x3024.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ETBY!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e30be36-4b57-4d1e-8ab1-c2e03163e211_3024x2724.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ETBY!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e30be36-4b57-4d1e-8ab1-c2e03163e211_3024x2724.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ETBY!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e30be36-4b57-4d1e-8ab1-c2e03163e211_3024x2724.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ETBY!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e30be36-4b57-4d1e-8ab1-c2e03163e211_3024x2724.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>If you&#8217;re trying to start a company, odds are high that you are inherently trying to swim against the current. This is because you&#8217;re doing one of the following:</p><ol><li><p>Doing something that everyone else thinks is a good idea, in which case everyone else is doing it and you&#8217;re competing in a crowded field to be the best.</p></li><li><p>Doing something that few other people think is a good idea, in which case you&#8217;re trying to convince the world (and yourself) that you&#8217;re not insane.</p></li></ol><p>Both of these require a great deal of bravery. There is skill and intelligence and EQ and knowledge and many other factors that come into the equation, but ultimately I found that the most useful muscle in my fundraising journey was resilience. Fifteen years ago, I negotiated a wage increase from $1.25/hr to $2.50/hr. Two months ago, I negotiated a term sheet to build a company to prevent cancer. The key commonality was believing that I could, and not stopping until I did.</p><p></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.communitymorgue.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading community morgue! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The geroscience hypothesis is weird culturally in the landscape of longevity cliques. It&#8217;s not quite as radical as the immortalists (folks who are in it to live forever), and yet is too extreme for those focused on pure healthspan who do not dare to speak of lifespan extension. It&#8217;s simultaneously a radical concept yet one of the oldest philosophies in the field. I like it - it&#8217;s ambitious while remaining pragmatic.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>For some context, this was the period during which the prevailing thinking was to just go and start <em>some </em>company; any company will do. I would echo <a href="https://www.startuparchive.org/p/marc-andreessen-explains-how-to-identify-fake-founders">Marc Andreesen&#8217;s thoughts</a> on this general philosophy.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>fingers crossed that <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07701-9">IL-11 inhibition will be reproducible</a></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Introductions are the currency of fundraising. You meet investors by an introduction from someone you mutually know. It&#8217;s a weird little courtship dance where you send your connection a <a href="https://www.startuphacks.vc/blog/2015/06/24/how-to-write-a-forwardable-introduction-email">forwardable blurb</a> which they will then pass along to the potential investor like a Valentine&#8217;s Day letter. If the investor fancies you, they&#8217;ll ask to be connected via e-mail. I did not fully understand this ritual until fairly late in the fundraising process.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This isn&#8217;t in bad faith. Investors who write smaller checks are strongly disincentivized from committing capital until the round comes together - else they&#8217;re risking throwing money into a fire. There&#8217;s not much biotech founders can do having raised only small checks aside from paying their own salary. </p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Peto's Aging]]></title><description><![CDATA[How our lifespans may be an evolutionary accident]]></description><link>https://www.communitymorgue.com/p/petos-aging</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.communitymorgue.com/p/petos-aging</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Tomusiak]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2025 17:12:19 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9fb9b408-4ea0-4345-82d0-ca588e1299d0_553x418.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Consider this:</p><ol><li><p>An elephant has over a thousand times more cells than a human. </p></li><li><p>Cells accrue mutations independently.</p></li><li><p>Cancer is mostly driven by mutations.</p></li></ol><p>So why do we not get cancer a thousand times more frequently than mice?</p><p></p><p>This is <strong>Peto&#8217;s Paradox</strong>. There are many proposed &#8220;answers&#8221; to this paradox, but there&#8217;s a major clue found when investigating the number of mutations animals acquire per year. There seems to be a natural limit to the number of mutations each animal acquires per cell on average, and that number is surprisingly small:</p><p>3,000. </p><p>And it takes mice a little over three years to accumulate these 3,000 mutations, compared to sixty years for an elephant and around eighty for a human. Take a look at the graph below comparing mutation rate per year with an animal&#8217;s mass:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wOq_!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F78b5258e-5541-425a-a6e5-0c2d1b9c7ae2_918x902.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wOq_!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F78b5258e-5541-425a-a6e5-0c2d1b9c7ae2_918x902.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wOq_!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F78b5258e-5541-425a-a6e5-0c2d1b9c7ae2_918x902.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wOq_!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F78b5258e-5541-425a-a6e5-0c2d1b9c7ae2_918x902.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wOq_!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F78b5258e-5541-425a-a6e5-0c2d1b9c7ae2_918x902.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wOq_!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F78b5258e-5541-425a-a6e5-0c2d1b9c7ae2_918x902.png" width="918" height="902" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/78b5258e-5541-425a-a6e5-0c2d1b9c7ae2_918x902.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:902,&quot;width&quot;:918,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:306000,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://communitymorgue.substack.com/i/158459166?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F78b5258e-5541-425a-a6e5-0c2d1b9c7ae2_918x902.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wOq_!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F78b5258e-5541-425a-a6e5-0c2d1b9c7ae2_918x902.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wOq_!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F78b5258e-5541-425a-a6e5-0c2d1b9c7ae2_918x902.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wOq_!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F78b5258e-5541-425a-a6e5-0c2d1b9c7ae2_918x902.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wOq_!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F78b5258e-5541-425a-a6e5-0c2d1b9c7ae2_918x902.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>from <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04618-z">Cagan et al. 2022</a></em></p><p>This creates a straightforward explanation &#8211; larger animals, needing to avoid dying at a young age due to cancer &#8211; evolved better mechanisms to protect and repair DNA. This is not the entire story, as better immune surveillance and differences in metabolism contribute as well, but it&#8217;s as close to a complete picture as you get in biology.</p><p></p><p>Entirely separately, longevity researchers have observed a correlation between the size of an animal and its <strong>maximum lifespan</strong> as well<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I7yM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7770ca5a-cac3-4cfd-aace-4cf3caa029f7_691x705.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I7yM!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7770ca5a-cac3-4cfd-aace-4cf3caa029f7_691x705.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I7yM!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7770ca5a-cac3-4cfd-aace-4cf3caa029f7_691x705.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I7yM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7770ca5a-cac3-4cfd-aace-4cf3caa029f7_691x705.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I7yM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7770ca5a-cac3-4cfd-aace-4cf3caa029f7_691x705.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I7yM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7770ca5a-cac3-4cfd-aace-4cf3caa029f7_691x705.jpeg" width="691" height="705" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7770ca5a-cac3-4cfd-aace-4cf3caa029f7_691x705.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:705,&quot;width&quot;:691,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I7yM!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7770ca5a-cac3-4cfd-aace-4cf3caa029f7_691x705.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I7yM!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7770ca5a-cac3-4cfd-aace-4cf3caa029f7_691x705.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I7yM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7770ca5a-cac3-4cfd-aace-4cf3caa029f7_691x705.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I7yM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7770ca5a-cac3-4cfd-aace-4cf3caa029f7_691x705.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>from <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1146609X23000292?via%3Dihub">Kuparninen et al. 2023</a></em></p><p>Why? It&#8217;s not entirely clear. The aging field has assumed that this has something to do with metabolism, as larger animals tend to better pace their energy uptake. But there&#8217;s another aspect to the story, in that there&#8217;s a strong association between <strong>mutational burden and lifespan</strong> that dwarfs <em>both</em> the association between mass and mutations and the association between mass and lifespan:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ywSA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a6be113-dbc8-43f5-9b62-c1723b52edba_1296x860.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ywSA!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a6be113-dbc8-43f5-9b62-c1723b52edba_1296x860.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ywSA!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a6be113-dbc8-43f5-9b62-c1723b52edba_1296x860.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ywSA!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a6be113-dbc8-43f5-9b62-c1723b52edba_1296x860.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ywSA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a6be113-dbc8-43f5-9b62-c1723b52edba_1296x860.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ywSA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a6be113-dbc8-43f5-9b62-c1723b52edba_1296x860.png" width="1296" height="860" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4a6be113-dbc8-43f5-9b62-c1723b52edba_1296x860.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:860,&quot;width&quot;:1296,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:413974,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://communitymorgue.substack.com/i/158459166?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a6be113-dbc8-43f5-9b62-c1723b52edba_1296x860.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ywSA!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a6be113-dbc8-43f5-9b62-c1723b52edba_1296x860.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ywSA!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a6be113-dbc8-43f5-9b62-c1723b52edba_1296x860.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ywSA!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a6be113-dbc8-43f5-9b62-c1723b52edba_1296x860.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ywSA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a6be113-dbc8-43f5-9b62-c1723b52edba_1296x860.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>from <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04618-z">Cagan et al. 2022</a>, again</em></p><p>In fact, if you account for the association between mutational burden and lifespan, the original link between body mass and lifespan ceases to be significant.</p><p></p><p>So there are three interesting observations (drawn below):</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GwQr!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10bca5cb-de80-408c-815a-18400c276f19_1646x520.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GwQr!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10bca5cb-de80-408c-815a-18400c276f19_1646x520.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GwQr!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10bca5cb-de80-408c-815a-18400c276f19_1646x520.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GwQr!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10bca5cb-de80-408c-815a-18400c276f19_1646x520.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GwQr!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10bca5cb-de80-408c-815a-18400c276f19_1646x520.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GwQr!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10bca5cb-de80-408c-815a-18400c276f19_1646x520.png" width="1456" height="460" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GwQr!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10bca5cb-de80-408c-815a-18400c276f19_1646x520.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GwQr!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10bca5cb-de80-408c-815a-18400c276f19_1646x520.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GwQr!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10bca5cb-de80-408c-815a-18400c276f19_1646x520.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GwQr!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10bca5cb-de80-408c-815a-18400c276f19_1646x520.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div 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This is likely to be an evolutionarily-driven adaptation for survival.</p></li><li><p>There is a moderate association between larger body mass and longer lifespan. </p></li><li><p>There is a very strong association between improved ability to maintain the genome and maximum lifespan. This is unlikely to be evolutionarily-driven, as aging is something that tends to occur <em>after</em> an organism&#8217;s reproductive window.</p></li></ol><p></p><p>A unifying explanation: <strong>Extended maximum lifespan in larger animals is an evolutionary accident of requiring better genome stability mechanisms to avoid cancer.</strong> Maximum lifespan is a byproduct of solving Peto&#8217;s Paradox. If you stop the things that cause you to get cancer, you get extended life for free. Preventing damage to the genome is a path to living longer.</p><p><br>This isn&#8217;t the only reason to view genomic instability as a, if not <em>the</em>, major driver of aging. Effectively every single disease in humans that resembles a form of accelerated aging is caused by a mutation in a gene related to genomic stability:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zjsn!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F38e8331e-85b1-4b60-9e9e-4873f797f44a_890x780.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zjsn!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F38e8331e-85b1-4b60-9e9e-4873f797f44a_890x780.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zjsn!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F38e8331e-85b1-4b60-9e9e-4873f797f44a_890x780.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zjsn!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F38e8331e-85b1-4b60-9e9e-4873f797f44a_890x780.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zjsn!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F38e8331e-85b1-4b60-9e9e-4873f797f44a_890x780.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zjsn!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F38e8331e-85b1-4b60-9e9e-4873f797f44a_890x780.png" width="370" height="324.2696629213483" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zjsn!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F38e8331e-85b1-4b60-9e9e-4873f797f44a_890x780.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zjsn!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F38e8331e-85b1-4b60-9e9e-4873f797f44a_890x780.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zjsn!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F38e8331e-85b1-4b60-9e9e-4873f797f44a_890x780.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Zjsn!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F38e8331e-85b1-4b60-9e9e-4873f797f44a_890x780.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>from <a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10911340/">Worm et al. 2024</a></em></p><p>The age of menopause in women, which is itself linked to mortality and morbidity, is <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/ng.1051">strongly tied to DNA repair genes</a>. A <a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36215696/">better version of a DNA maintenance protein</a> is heavily enriched in centenarians. Molecular markers immediately downstream of genomic damage - DNA methylation, mutations - change on a constant basis with age, suggesting they do not participate in the secondary feedback loops that define every other aging hallmark.</p><p>Note I emphasize <em>lifespan</em> here instead of <em>healthspan.</em> Healthspan is linked to a separate suite of programs. But that is a story for a different time.</p><p></p><h3>So aging is caused by mutations, then?</h3><p>No. </p><p>There is a rare disease (a mutation in POLE) that leads to an accumulation of mutations across the genome at a frequency up to ten times higher than in the general human population. Unsurprisingly, this leads to a high risk of cancer. Perhaps surprisingly, there does not seem to be much of an effect on aging. The increase is not tied to any particular cell type, either:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OWgD!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3331f46c-0fc1-4570-857f-13ff567a5d29_1322x764.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OWgD!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3331f46c-0fc1-4570-857f-13ff567a5d29_1322x764.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!OWgD!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3331f46c-0fc1-4570-857f-13ff567a5d29_1322x764.png 848w, 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>from <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-021-00930-y">Robinson et al. 2021</a></em></p><p>It&#8217;s also unlikely to be mutations in the mitochondria, as <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/ng1988">mice have been generated with 500-fold more mitochondrial mutations</a> while not aging a whole lot faster.</p><p></p><p>To be clear, mutations have been linked to manifestations of aging. The most well-known example is <a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8050831/">clonal hematopoiesis</a>, where blood stem cells pick up mutations that make them better at dividing which then leads to an increased rate of cancer. There are also a number of studies emerging linking clonal expansion of various cell types in the brain with neurological disorders such as Parkinson&#8217;s and Alzheimer&#8217;s. The effect sizes for these studies tend to be pretty weak, however. In some cases, mutation-induced clonal expansion has actually been shown to have positive effects, such as by <a href="https://ashpublications.org/blood/article/139/10/1593/483216/Clonal-hematopoiesis-is-associated-with-improved">improving outcomes for some cancers</a>.</p><p></p><h3>So what is it?</h3><p>Here&#8217;s a pretty simple model:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I_We!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6d15543-ed86-4fef-ad04-c315c78e01e7_1843x1166.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I_We!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6d15543-ed86-4fef-ad04-c315c78e01e7_1843x1166.jpeg 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>I drew this on an iPad on a plane undergoing turbulence</em></p><p>I&#8217;m being quite vague here, but this is intentional. The jury is still out on which aspects of genome instability are the most important for aging. <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-023-00527-6">David Sinclair&#8217;s information theory</a>, likely one of the most well known theories of aging, centers around epigenetics (particularly histones) as the key determinant. 3D genome structure, thus far under-appreciated due to the difficulty of studying it, may play a pivotal role as well. Cell damage signaling is important too, though it may be more tied to healthspan rather than lifespan.</p><p>It could also depend on the cell type. About a year ago, I embarked on a quest to map every single disease linked to DNA repair in humans and whether it resembled aging or not. The diagram below is a little inaccurate, but the conclusion I came to was that repair pathways that predominantly impact slow or non-dividing cells are linked to aging, while pathways that impact fast-dividing cells lead to a higher risk of cancer.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gm_-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5490694a-4d34-4ed5-810b-5d345339ba36_4727x3385.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gm_-!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5490694a-4d34-4ed5-810b-5d345339ba36_4727x3385.png 424w, 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Circling back to the main point - <strong>if it is true that maximum lifespan is an evolutionary accident related to large animals improving genome stability to avoid dying of cancer, what are the implications?</strong></p><p>Two immediately come to mind.</p><p></p><h3>Implication 1: Focus on preventing or reversing genome instability</h3><p>On the reversal front, the field of epigenetic reprogramming has gained an enormous amount of attention. Other authors have written (<a href="https://www.adanguyenx.com/blog/partial-reprogramming">one</a>) (<a href="https://www.adanguyenx.com/blog/a-history-of-partial-reprogramming">two</a>) excellent posts on the subject, so I will leave the reader to peruse those references.</p><p>On the prevention side, however, there is remarkably little work being done<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>. This is surprising, because it seems like a much easier angle (an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, as they say), and because there&#8217;s a lot of low hanging fruit. Spermidine, a readily available supplement, <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-08011-1">has been shown to enhance genome stability</a> (side note: sperm accumulate fewer mutations than other cell types, despite being quite proliferative. spermidine may be why). Deep sea vent bacteria <a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17429571/">make compounds that protect their DNA</a>. Bowhead whales, which live well past 200 years, <a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39574710/">have a better version of a key DNA repair enzyme</a> that could have translational potential in humans. </p><p></p><h3>Implication 2: Figure out which pathways drive cancer prevention, and which drive longer lifespan</h3><p>You may have heard that elephants <a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5061548/">have many copies of p53, the &#8220;guardian of the genome&#8221; gene</a>. What you may not know is that mice that have been engineered to have more p53 copies have <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/415045a">reduced lifespan and poorer health</a>.</p><p>Not every pathway that improves cancer resistance leads to longer lifespan. In many cases, it&#8217;s the opposite. For genes related to the cell cycle - such as p53 - having too much &#8220;error checking&#8221; leads to a failure of stem cells to divide properly, leading to accelerated aging but less cancer. On the flip side, having longer telomeres can be beneficial for aging while also promoting cancer growth. You can imagine a diagram that looks like this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wfAJ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80ab699b-1be1-40ce-9d74-3634029c1631_696x325.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wfAJ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80ab699b-1be1-40ce-9d74-3634029c1631_696x325.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wfAJ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80ab699b-1be1-40ce-9d74-3634029c1631_696x325.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wfAJ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80ab699b-1be1-40ce-9d74-3634029c1631_696x325.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wfAJ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80ab699b-1be1-40ce-9d74-3634029c1631_696x325.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wfAJ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80ab699b-1be1-40ce-9d74-3634029c1631_696x325.png" width="498" height="232.54310344827587" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/80ab699b-1be1-40ce-9d74-3634029c1631_696x325.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:325,&quot;width&quot;:696,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:498,&quot;bytes&quot;:65250,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://communitymorgue.substack.com/i/158459166?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80ab699b-1be1-40ce-9d74-3634029c1631_696x325.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wfAJ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80ab699b-1be1-40ce-9d74-3634029c1631_696x325.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wfAJ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80ab699b-1be1-40ce-9d74-3634029c1631_696x325.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wfAJ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80ab699b-1be1-40ce-9d74-3634029c1631_696x325.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wfAJ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80ab699b-1be1-40ce-9d74-3634029c1631_696x325.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Note that if the Peto&#8217;s Aging theory is correct, then most interventions in genome stability should be somewhere in the middle. This pans out with human data, as diseases resembling accelerated aging tend to come with a higher cancer risk as well. On the flip side, <a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19590001/">reducing calories both slows down cancer onset </a><em><a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-26431-4">and</a></em><a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-26431-4"> is one of the few interventions that has been shown to extend lifespan.</a> The same is true for <a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10103596/#:~:text=Rapamycin%20delayed%20the%20onset%20and,cancers%20%5B5%2C%206%5D.">rapamycin</a>.</p><p></p><p>The implication here is pretty profound - <strong>if you can prevent cancer, in most cases you should be able to extend lifespan as well</strong>. 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The opposite is true <em>within</em> species. Larger dogs live shorter than smaller dogs. My suspicion is that evolving better DNA repair lags behind evolving faster metabolism.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Disclosure: I am working on this.</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item></channel></rss>